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  1. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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    And do you have a reliable source to prove that assertion? Hard to think Israel targeted civilians when they were telling them to get out. You know, before they bombed an area. To destroy HAMAS infrastructure.

    Shooter suspects that Palestinian women and children, like American women and children, support their military. Especially when the male in the family is a part of HAMAS.
    But any Palestinian women and children who support Israel should do what the IDF is telling them, mainly to get out of the way, they are in a war zone.

    That would be incorrect;
    Palestinian Poll Finds Strong Support for Hamas, Oct. 7 Attacks, ‘River to the Sea’ State (msn.com)
    Hamas Sees Surge of Support as Palestinian Prisoners Are Released (msn.com)
    Hamas wins Palestinian hearts as Gaza conflict threatens broader shift (nbcnews.com)
    And the Palestinians in GAZA not only support HAMAS, they support them financially, paying families of slain HAMAS a pension and paying a bounty to HAMAS fighters.

    Not sure how this is relevant to the issue at hand, which is HAMAS and Israel are just now at war.

    Wow, what an insightful observation.
    Guess what?
    In war the leaders declare the war, the best and brightest do the fighting, and in every case some innocent people die.
    But the object of war is to destroy your enemies will and ability to fight. Slaughtering innocent women and children is not part of that mission, but innocent people always, but always, get caught up in the fighting. This war is no different, with the notable exception that HAMAS started this mess by attacking Israel and slaughtering, in the most brutal ways imaginable, thousands of innocent Israeli civilians.

    You have yet to support the claim that Israel is conducting genocide.
    Shooter, for the record, does not support any entity that engages in genocide.
    Specifically, Shooter does not support HAMAS, since their declared intent is the genocide of all jews, the destruction of Israel, and eventually the west, to include both Canada and America.
     
  2. submissively speaking

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    That ‘Hamas infrastructure’ is residential. The CIVILIAN RESIDENTS were ordered to move out or be bombed. So they moved to the areas that they were told would be safe. No room there, mind, for hundreds of thousands if not more than a million people, but they went. To two sections in the south.

    48% of the residents of Gaza today are under 18. You can do math. Where would you suggest they go? Those two safe sections? Let’s remember they’re not allowed out. Open-air prison, let’s remember that. Okay. Two safe sections. We’ll come back to this.

    Imma park this for a moment, because it doesn’t matter if they’re supportive or not. It’s against international law and a genocidal act to target civilians. American families supported their troops while they went to Iraq, too. Nobody blames them.

    We can circle back to who has support from whom and why, but it’s a side argument. Relevance is quite simply the Israeli government does not represent the people’s wishes, kinda like in Palestine. Huh.

    You might want to maybe watch the video Suz posted. October 7th was George Floyd. This didn’t start October 7th, not by a long shot. And any decent human doesn’t condone October 7th. Any decent human didn’t condone the murder of George Floyd. But it happened as a result of the teachings from generations of divisive and oppressive institutions, coupled with the actions of a fervent few.

    You cannot suck me into your idiotic habit of adding links and sending people off down partisan rabbit holes on web sites churning out garbage like your mainstream media does. Save your demand for ‘sources’.

    Nobody is denying the death tolls. That’s all the proof I need.

    And those people - for a total of 2.2 million - were forced into the bottom two sections in Gaza. Sections 4 and 5. Go there; it’ll be safe. What did Israel do? Started bombing section 4 about 48 hours ago.

    Fuck your ‘it’s not a genocide’ bullshit. What do you need? Video of babies decomposing in shut-off incubators isn’t enough, photos of whole residential areas isn’t enough, watching people throwing wrapped bodies into open pit graves isn’t enough. You watch that - and I know you do; it’s western snuff porn, ffs - and you don’t see humanity. You don’t see people, women and children and elderly. You see the animals Isreal tells you they are.

    I’ll take the word of UN investigators. I’ll take the word of global humanitarian organizations. Maybe you should start asking those questions.

    If that isn’t the most offensive part of this whole thing I don’t know what is. The oppressed have become the oppressor, and everyone’s too scared of being labeled antisemitic to do anything about it.

    Fuck Israel. It’s genocide.
     
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    1. stumbler
      There is no doubt Israel is trying to kill as many Palestinians as possible they are also targeting civilian housing and infrastructure like hospitals. Israeli intelligence has confirmed that. The strategy is to create just as much death, destruction, and suffering as possible to one drive the Palestinians out. And two hoping Palestinians will turn against Hamas.


      I appreciate your efforts here. Especially someone so ignorant he thinks the Palestinian Authority governs Gaza. Just running his mouth when he can't comprehend the basics.
       
      stumbler, Dec 5, 2023
  3. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    Israel is conducting a genocide, and you are openly supporting it.

    - submissively speaking

    The conflict between Israel and Palestine has always been genocidal. When two nations want the same land and are willing to fight for it, there can only be war.
     
  4. CS natureboy

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    Jews don't believe in Hell....
     
  5. shootersa

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    Lets start with October 7.
    Nothing, NOTHING justifies what HAMAS did that day to thousands of INNOCENT Israelis.
    NOTHING.
    That you even try, by alluding to a history of alleged abuse by Israel is specious.

    And palestinians are given safe passage into Egypt. You can deny the links shooter provided but it doesn't change the facts provided: palestinians support HAMAS and their mission to destroy Israel, perform genocide on jews, and ultimately destroy non muslim societies.

    You can moan and cry for palestinians who support HAMAS.
    Shooter will cry for Israelis who support America.

    Your place on your high moral ground is shaky subby. Make sure you aren't basing your outrage on your enemies lies.
     
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    2. shootersa
      No, and you know that isn't what Shooter said.
      The people in GAZA, predominantly Palestinian, do support HAMAS. And you can pretty it any way you want but the fact is, HAMAS raped and beheaded and burned alive and killed innocent children.
      Those in Gaza who didn't condemn that still support HAMAS. They are legitimate targets and combatants.
       
      shootersa, Dec 5, 2023
    3. submissively speaking
      Your sidestepping the very simple question is answer enough.

      You stepped in that ray of sunlight, bask in revealing yourself.

      Half that population are children. Combatants?
       
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    4. shootersa
      Yes. Combatants.
      If that offends your sensibilities take it up with HAMAS.
      But don't you dare shed a single tear for the innocent Israeli children who were brutally tortured and slaughtered by those "children".

      You have shown how little you care about them.
       
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    5. submissively speaking
      You either can’t read or can’t comprehend.

      Not my day to teach you either thing. Tomorrow doesn’t look good, either.

      See you soon.
       
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    6. shootersa
      Attagirl.
      Start with the insults.
      And the unsubtle threats.
      You got nothing else?
      No racist or sexist cards?
      Cmon. If you're coming at Shooter at least make it interesting. Or challenging.

      At least be more imaginative than silty. Or anon.
      Kay?
       
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  6. stumbler

    stumbler Porn Star

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    For anyone saying Israel is not deliberately targeting civilians including using AI to do it here you go. This site and article is now being praised from all over the world and getting highly recommended as an accurate picture of what Israel is actually doing,



     
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      Self promotion a full page at a time.
       
      shootersa, Dec 5, 2023
  7. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    Israeli forensic teams describe signs of torture, abuse
    Reuters
    October 15, 20233:38 AM EDTUpdated 2 months ago

    RAMLA, Israel, Oct 14 (Reuters) - Military forensic teams in Israel have examined bodies of victims of last week's Hamas attack on communities around the Gaza Strip and found multiple signs of torture, rape and other atrocities, officers said on Saturday.

    Around 1,300 bodies have been brought to an army base in Ramla in central Israel where forensic checks to determine the identity of the dead and the circumstances of their death are carried out by specialist teams.

    Around 90% of the military dead have been identified and teams are half way through identifying civilians, said Rabbi Israel Weiss, former army chief rabbi, one of the officials overseeing the identification of the dead. He said many bodies showed signs of torture as well as rape.
     
  8. Distant Lover

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    National Review

    Witnesses Confirm Rape, Beheadings, ‘Systematic Genital Mutilation’ by Hamas
    December 4, 2023 7:23 PM

    ‘Everything was an apocalypse of corpses,’ one official said, as Israel challenged the U.N.’s silence about Hamas’s crimes.
    Witnesses to the brutal aftermath of Hamas’s October 7 terrorist attack presented new, graphic testimony about the group’s widespread use of rape, at a United Nations event today organized by Israel’s mission to the body — one of the most extensive public presentations on those, and other, atrocities yet.

    This took place against the backdrop of a rapidly unfurling backlash against the U.N.’s laggard approach to acknowledging Hamas’s use of rape on October 7, with UN Women only condemning the assaults in a statement following public criticism and an interview in which an official struggled to unequivocally condemn the terrorist group. Last week, U.N. secretary-general António Guterres said in a statement on X that accounts of Hamas’s sexual violence need to be “vigorously investigated and prosecuted.”

    Meanwhile, the Israeli authorities have deepened their investigation into sexual violence perpetrated by Hamas during the massacre. Hamas’s sexual crimes might also have played a role in its decision to break the cease-fire with Israel, with State Department spokesman Matthew Miller saying today that Hamas appears have chosen not to hand over several female hostages because “they don’t want those women to be able to talk about what happened to them.”
     
  9. shootersa

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    Gotta love american haters self promotion and his enormous ego to copy n paste a full page of propaganda ( we can always spot lies and propaganda when the main source for non specific claims is "a source familiar with the situation") and then quotes the entire stupid meaningless bullshit article a second time.
     
  10. CS natureboy

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    Who does that fool think reads that stupid shit? My finger gets a workout scrolling past his nonsense bullshit....
     
    1. BigSuzyB
      Your posts require a lot of scrolling too. Pot meet kettle.
       
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      Well, fortunately for me it doesn't take much time at all to scroll past your political nonsense....;)
       
      CS natureboy, Dec 5, 2023
    3. BigSuzyB
      Sure, it’s me being childish.:rolleyes:
       
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    4. CS natureboy
      Hmmmm, so tell me, what is it you expect when you venture here in the political forum?
       
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    Its hard to tell what he thinks he's proving.
    Seriously doubt that anyone reads it or much cares but it is annoying to scroll past it once, and then have to scroll past it a second time.

    But we've seen him go back and quote them as if they're gospel come down from the mount etched in stone. Maybe thats the point.

    No matter. Even when one reads his posts his reputation for lying preceeds him.
     
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      This is looking a lot like stumbler derangement syndrome. Scrolling past your personal attack posts is tedious.
      I make this comment to you as a comment. An off topic comment on an off topic post.
       
      BigSuzyB, Dec 5, 2023
    2. CS natureboy
      @BigSuzyB Hmmmm, perhaps it is you who is suffering from stumbler infatuation syndrome.....:O_o:
       
      CS natureboy, Dec 5, 2023
    3. BigSuzyB
      At least you didn’t make this a post. Also it’s not from Fox News, so good job.
       
      BigSuzyB, Dec 5, 2023
    4. CS natureboy
      LOL, something like this (sis) is much too complex to fit into one or two posts....;)
       
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  12. Lxv200

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    When this is all over I wonder what will come out.

    1.The right wing Israeli government knew about the possibility of a attack for at least a year.

    2.The what'd the attack to happen so they have a excuse to remove the Palestinian people from GAZA and to clear more of th west bank for Israeli settlements.

    3.Or even some Israeli sleeper agents in high places in HAMAS to help to organise the attack.

    I can not see how one of the best intelligence agencies in the world missed it literally on they door step
     
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    1. shootersa
      And somehow, the conspiracy theorists think that IF Israel knew about the attack it becomes Israel's fault.
      The same non logic conspiracy theorists used to say that Bush knew 9/11 was coming, and Roosevelt knew the Japanese were going to hit Pearl Harbor.

      The fallacy in that logic is that there are much better ways to justify war than letting the other side take the first punch.
      For starters, intercepting the attack before it actually does damage but convincingly exposes the planned attack.

      If Roosevelt had the carriers positioned north of Pearl on December 6 we'd have had our Midway then. And kept our battleships.
      If Bush had the hijackers arrested when they made their move on the plane we'd still have the towers and Bush would have his war.
      If Israel had stopped HAMAS at the border they'd have had their justification to wipe out HAMAS without all the loss of life. The horrific loss of life.
       
      shootersa, Dec 5, 2023
    2. stumbler
      And its not just Israeli intelligence. The IDF is also the best fighting force in the world when it comes to stopping terrorist attacks. So why did it take the IDF as much as 10 hours to respond to some of the attacks while the slaughter and atrocities continued. Can all those failures be just coincidence?

      But even if they are Netanyahu is using them for two goals. One remain in power when he has about a 4% approval rating. And two, what Bibi the Butcher always does. Use any excuse he can find to slaughter as many Palestinians as possible.
       
      stumbler, Dec 6, 2023
    3. shootersa
      Why, of course.
      Let the terrorists slaughter Israelis so we have an excuse to slaughter palestinians.

      That kind of logic takes a special kind of stupid to even think it, much less put it out there for everyone to marvel at.
       
      shootersa, Dec 7, 2023
  13. Distant Lover

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    If the Israelis wanted to reconquer, ethnically cleanse, and settle in Gaza, all they needed was a Hamas attack. They did not need for it to be this devastating.

    Anyway, I wish the Israelis the best.

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  14. Distant Lover

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    The Jews are the Herrenvolk. They need Lebensraum.
     
  15. Lxv200

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    Just what I was thinking when do IDF get there nice black uniforms with silver collar badges.
     
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    1. stumbler
      He is and always has been one of the sickest and most sadistic members of this forum. Pushing a bunch on nonsense and contradictory racist agendas.
       
      stumbler, Dec 6, 2023
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      :(
       
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  16. Distant Lover

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    In Mein Kampf Hitler said that the Jews were intelligent and evil. He was wrong about the evil part. He was right about the intelligent part, and much else that he wrote in Mein Kampf, which I have of course read.

    The Jews are the most accomplished 0.2% part of the human species. By killing six million of them Hitler did much damage to the human gene pool.

    God gifted his Chosen People with good genes. I am a Christian, by the way. The founders of my religion were Jews. The first leader of Christianity after the Crucifixion was St. James. He was the next oldest brother of Jesus, and the first bishop of Jerusalem. He obeyed the Torah, and worshiped at the Temple of Jerusalem everyday until the Sadducees martyred him.
     
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  18. stumbler

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    Netanyahu never gave a fuck about the hostages. They just slow down his goal of slaughtering as many Palestinians as possible. So the hostages are just sacrificial lambs and cannon fodder as far as he is concerned.




    Israeli captives’ families angry after meeting with Netanyahu

    Some accuse the government of a “farce” as they demand more action to secure the release of the 138 captives still held by Hamas.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...s-families-angry-after-meeting-with-netanyahu




    Israeli hostage families angry after meeting with Netanyahu
    https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...ngry-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-2023-12-05/
     
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  19. Lxv200

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    The problem now is the people of the Jewish faith all over the world will feel very insecure ,will the Muslim terrorist groups all over the world will target them.
    So under Israel government right of return law they will move to Israel and be settled on the West Bank of even more Palestinians we be forcibly move out of the west bank.
    So what happens when that land runs out?
    There are 10's millions of Jewish people all over the world. Will the Israeli government order the IDF to conquer more Arab land to house them?.
     
  20. Distant Lover

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    This is what I recommend for when the land gives out:

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    The acquisition of new land and soil for the settling of the superfluous population has no end of advantages.

    - Adolf Hitler, from Mein Kampf, Volume I, Chapter IV, "Munich"

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